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Volas
December 19th, 2003, 03:47 PM
So they put this new "casino" into effect. I think, hey, thats pretty cool. So, myself, and a few of my friends get together, combine our platinum pools, and total up with about 3 million PP.

So, with the HOPE of fun times ahead.. we buy bags full of tokens, and commence the ENDLESSLY BORING PROCESS of Click, Click, Drop, Click.

And we were not the only ones doing this.. apparently a group of 6 people scraped together about 11 million as well.

Well, after about 4 hours of this incredibly mundane and borish task, not to mention the god awful server lag presented because Sony cant figure out how to compute server loads... between the 11 of us, and 14 million PP total, we came up with...








NOTHING.

Not ONE decent thing. We all got about 2 bags full of some REALLY crappy stat food (NODROP) and extra "Tokens" to play with. But other then that, NOBODY got anything special. 14 Million at 100pp a pop. Do the Math.. SOMEBODY should have gotten something. By then, the server lag was absolutely unbearable, and soonafter, the servers all crashed. When i got back on today, I saw they took out the "Casino" and I immediatly petitioned regarding this, and was pretty much told the classic "yeah, it was all screwed up, yeah, we know everyone is ticked but "SORRY THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO"

Gotta admit, it was a nice little Scam by sony to sink some platinum. As of today, 505 PM EST, i have yet to find a single person on Inny Server who won anything other then stat food, and with Inny being one of the oldest servers on the block, and thus, the most populated, you know millions of pp was dumped onto that merchant.

Kweil
December 19th, 2003, 03:50 PM
Thats why its a game of CHANCE and not skill. If it had been blackjack or poker or something else it would have been nice.

Woody
December 19th, 2003, 04:08 PM
If you pooled together that much plat and spent that much time... it would seem to me to be your own stupid fault for continuing instead of realizing much earlier in the process that the game didn't suit your whims.

In other words... you did it. You have no one to blame but yourself.

Kheera
December 19th, 2003, 04:13 PM
I put in 3k just for kicks (and got some of the most expensive food my character's ever had the privilege to consume). I knew from the get-go that this is a CASINO -- odds are ALWAYS on the side of the house! Not to mention, this particular feature was not put into game to be an immediate player benefit, but to balance the economies which were thrown out of whack by the explosion of macro'd plat (where a normal casino redistributes wealth into the owners' pockets, and some to the employees' payroll). You do not go into a casino expecting to win (unless you're foolish!), the best you can do is hope to be one of the few lucky ones.

Some real-life casinos have games with some element of skill as well as chance, helping you skew odds more in your favor if you know what you're doing, but as always, overall odds are in favor of the house, or why would they bother to stay in business? This casino, however, is pure chance, not even any glitz to draw you in (which actually disappointed me a little, the art/design team could have had a bit of fun with the concept). It boggled me seeing the /ooc's of people asking how to skew the odds in their favor on what is obviously pure chance ("How did you win that? were you handing in four at a time or just one? Do I get better prizes if I turn in four instead of one token? ... if I talk to a different vendor? ...if I hop in circles on one leg and whistle "Yankee Doodle Dandy" while clicking the button? (well, not the last one but I was tempted to /ooc back that it helps)). One of the most questioning in /ooc was getting angry that he'd turned in 10 tokens and hadn't gotten a Golden Ticket yet! How DARE Sony!

Personally I think it's kinda neat that there's a chance to get stuff you can't get any other way -- I just know not to count on it! For every rare lucky erson in a casino who walks in and puts a dollar in a machine and gets a jackpot, there's a whole heck of a lot of people who sit and feed tons of money in for nothing, or minor wins (which usually go right back to feed the machine).

As for winners, I sat in Shadowhaven in the evening for a while on Tunare, and I saw two Glowing Black Drums (pally/sk aa horse speed drogmor), two Elder Holgresh Beads, and one Guise of the Deciever won. When someone turns in a Golden Ticket the NPC shouts to the zone what's won ... which happens infrequently enough that it certainly isn't spam! I recall one of the winners said he'd spent 30k, another 85k, before getting a ticket; the others didn't comment.

Raven00x
December 19th, 2003, 04:19 PM
there was a guy on luclin who won holgresh elder beads, turned around and sold 'em for more than he put into the casino. but then again, that was an exceptionally rare case.

Iiliani Seadream
December 19th, 2003, 04:40 PM
Handing in WR bags to the barbarian women outside the vendor area on the Nexus bank side gets you a token.
I think some more WR bags have been added as drops to the game just for this reason, last night I looted a four slot, medium capacity, 30% WR gem pouch off a troll at the campfire area in Nadox. First time I have ever seen this item drop, and it was right after the patch.
I handed it in and received a token, but I will have to wait until the casino is back up to use it.

Woody
December 19th, 2003, 04:43 PM
Did I misread something?

I thought THOSE tokens were to allow people to be able to sell bags and stuff.

So you could sell the token on your bazaar mule, then people could hand in the token and get the bag that's associated with it.

Kheera
December 19th, 2003, 04:45 PM
Different token! That's designed to allow people to sell bags in trader mode, since the bags themselves can't be put in the Trader Satchels you have to put your sellables in. You turn in the bag you want to sell, then put the token up for sale on your trader; when someone buys it, they turn in the token to the barbarian again and get the bag.

Iiliani Seadream
December 19th, 2003, 04:47 PM
I see....

Entirely possible I misread it.

That's a very good idea, players can sell things such as their handcrafted 10% WR bags on mules, instead of having to /ooc them all the time.
Then again, I suppose that's the point.

<----feeling a little embarassed now..... :oops:

Mutton
December 19th, 2003, 04:50 PM
I heard of some Wixxor on Maelin that did win a Fungi staff. So just cause the server is old it don't mean jack. Hopefully prices start getting closer to normal now with people dumping a few million pp into the casino.

Kheera
December 19th, 2003, 04:50 PM
Pish, easy enough to confuse two new things named Token that appear on the same day :D

I think the casino one was King's Court Token while the bag tokens have the name of the bag before "Token".

Mutton
December 19th, 2003, 05:04 PM
I also heard tell of people being able to use Bat wings as tokens.

Kweil
December 19th, 2003, 05:05 PM
At least you didn't confuse Token with Tolkien

Sumamael
December 19th, 2003, 05:11 PM
In any decent casino if you win you get your bet back and then some.

In SOE's EQ casino even if you win you lose because the common "prices" are worth a lot less than the 100pp bets.

So if SOE renamed the whole thing to lottery then it would be a little closer to the truth because this was everything but a casino.

Landsknecht
December 19th, 2003, 05:17 PM
Heh heh. This is an amazingly funny thread. You know what? Everybody bitching about the poor odds at the casino, expecially 11 million plat man, the casino is indeed "Working as intended!" It was created to suck plat out of the player economy, and it seems to have worked! Imagine that. At least on your server there is now 11M plat that is no longer floating around.

Good job Sony!

Jishia
December 19th, 2003, 05:48 PM
In my opinion Sony never expected the Casino's to Last, they only needed one day, just ONE day to fix the Plat inflation problem, it in it's simplicity is so ingenious that i'm almost awed.

Truly it was a great idea to rid servers of floating Plat.

Sumamael
December 19th, 2003, 05:49 PM
I love these smartass "working as intended" posts all over the message boards, well congrats for stating the obvious, however people aren't complaining about the idea but the poor implementation.

Kaylen
December 19th, 2003, 06:59 PM
Casions are not supposed to let you win back what you spent and then some. If they did, they would be losing money.

Kat
December 19th, 2003, 09:07 PM
Eleven Million Plat. Six people.

Eleven MILLION plat.

SIX people.

1.8 Million Each.

Plat.

Am I the only one who is still kind of boggled by those numbers?
I remember when GUILDS didn't have that much money.
And I'm not talking about early, early on either.

And I agree with Woody.
If you put 11 MILLION of anything into anyplace and see no reward. That's just kind of silly.

Dark Tyger
December 19th, 2003, 09:14 PM
Jeebus, Mary, and Joeseph.... It kinda depressed me to hear all these people talking about dumping 20k, 50k, 100k+ in plat into the casino because they "had nothing better to do with the plat". Really, if people have that much plat and nothing to do with it, I'm not above taking charity. ;) I've never seen 50k plat. Total. On all my characters. And that's a lot of characters.

Cylestria
December 19th, 2003, 09:16 PM
That was just clever.

Soooo much better than a plat wipe. Those who had money to throw away, did so. Those who couldn't afford to, didn't.

Gnomish
December 19th, 2003, 09:32 PM
oh poo.. i wanted to go to the casino today, and drag my port monkey and his Leezard along...

Renix
December 19th, 2003, 11:12 PM
I personally like how the casinos were taken out after only a few items were won and millions of platinum was spent on them.

I wonder if they'll actually be back for the new year...

Mordican
December 20th, 2003, 12:14 AM
Okay first off I invested 400plat into the Casino and won back 67 total tokens. I recieved medicore NO DROP stat food at best which didn't bother me. Food AND drink would haev been nice. I also won 3 Gnomish Fireworks and 1 Essence of Vah Shar (Kitty Illusion) The Casino was/is a game and was ment for fun I believe.

Secondly we had some guild mebmers invest 10k+ and won some decent items, not spectacular, but good for a lowbie character. Problem is lowbie characters don't have that much money

Third... The Plat Macro was capable of injected 300k+ per person doing it... It was around for a bit... the millions of plat invested in the casio were a drop in the bucket. Also if anything people will raise their prices since the greed is still running rampant. And lets be honest.. Plat Farmers can earn thousands of plat a day jsut camping their cash camps.

John Dyne
December 20th, 2003, 04:29 AM
I don't see how this HELPS the economy. When money starts becoming scarce, people are likely to jack their prices. And if money is plentiful, people jack their prices.

Though hearing of that much money wasted makes me want to cry. I've barely had more than 2000 platinum, tops. And since the main item I used to sell sells for 10pp tops now (Instead of 80pp), I'm not likely to get more than 800 plat anymore, especially if I want to buy any decent item.. I just want to know, who the hell sells a 2 sta 12 AC item for over 1000 plat?

Pike Tha Blodd
December 20th, 2003, 09:59 AM
the tricky part of the situation is that when you suck all the money out, the money actually becomes worth more since there is now less of it, so people become more hesitant to spend that money. Therefore when idjits sell their junk at 4k and no one buys, they start to drop their prices, otherwise they will never sell their junk, instead people will just go off and quest it up themselves, so at first yes prices will be high but they will drop once sellers realize that they are not moving any of their goods.

take a look around the bazaar one day and take note of the fools charging 200p for wu's fighting gear, versus everyone else who sells it for around 20p, or watch the price fluctuations in bone chips, they can be as high as 2p a piece or as low as a single gold, depending on who is willing to spend the money and the supply available, granted if the item is rare its still going to be expensive but just not quite as stupidly-expensive

Velenka
December 20th, 2003, 01:44 PM
That was just clever.

Soooo much better than a plat wipe. Those who had money to throw away, did so. Those who couldn't afford to, didn't.

That's what I was thinking. Easy way to wring the duped plat out of the economy... too bad they had to remove 'em because all the folks with the gambling bug were overloading Shadowhaven and causing server issues. I've been busy all this week, so I didn't have a chance to go peek in and see what they were about :P Poo.

copasnece
December 20th, 2003, 01:53 PM
I only bought one token and won about 14 bread things with +7 int on them, which i dont think is that bad really :)

But there was some higher level older players (who have played since the start of the game) who were ticked. Not because of spending a lot of plat but because of the big prizes that were awarded. Yes they were beyond extremely rare but they still thought it was right. Now this is only what i heard so i could be wrong. Some of the prizes were supposed to be the elder beads (which was an extremely rare drop when it was dropping, it doesn't drop anymore), sleepers tomb key, and other things like that. They think because you put so much effort into getting some of these prizes that awarding them for gambling is an insult.

Anyway i gotta sort of agree with that, I did part of the sleepers key before i got pregnant and i know how much work goes into it. Oh well...as for the putting 14 mill into it...im sorry you had whats coming to ya. The MOST i would've spent was 200pp.

Naelaen
December 20th, 2003, 05:44 PM
Whilst the casino is down, why don't you throw away your plat in the general direction of the poor and needy :)

Dolby
December 20th, 2003, 08:54 PM
I don't see how this HELPS the economy. When money starts becoming scarce, people are likely to jack their prices. And if money is plentiful, people jack their prices.

Since items are still rare a seller will/can jack up his/her prices if they know a lot of people have a bunch of plat. Now when the money supply gets low and every one is low on money the seller has to lower his/her price so he can sell the product.

So money sinks in game help lower prices for rare items since the seller has to sell it at a price some one can afford.

The prices just seem higher becuase every one has less money. People who sink there money wont be buying as much from your merchant in the bazzar thus you have less money to buy the items you want. ;)

Dark Tyger
December 20th, 2003, 10:17 PM
Basic economics, John. ;)

KyrosKrane
December 21st, 2003, 01:01 AM
Here's my take on casinos in general and the EQ casino specifically.

I walk into a Vegas casino and make a $5 bet at the table of my choice. If I win that bet, I'll almost certainly get my $5 back, plus some winnings (depending on the payout odds). If I lose, I'll get zilch back.

Even with slot machines in RL casinos, if I drop in 25 cents, I never win less than that 25 cents on that spin. Yes, if I play multiple coins for many lines or whatever, I can win back less than the total of my bets; but techincally, each line or coin I play is a separate bet, and each win will be greater than any individual bet.

In the EQ casino, I plop down 100pp and buy one ticket, then turn that in. The vast majority of items I can win are not worth 100pp.

If they're going to charge 100pp per ticket, then every single win should give back a reward worth 100pp or more. A single stat food with +5 WIS or some such is NOT worth 100pp when I can buy a Misty Thicket Picnic (+5 WIS and MANY more stats) in the bazaar for as low as 7pp.

I don't mind losing. I know it's a gamble, and I wrote off the money I spent on the tokens the moment I took it out of my bank. I know the vast majority of tokens I turn in will be losers.

I DO mind getting worthless prizes when I "win." I don't expect to receive a golden ticket every time, but if they're going to continue to give out crappy stat foods when the casino resumes, then token prices need to be dropped to 5-10pp. And don't even get me started on summoned fireworks as prizes.

If they want to keep token prices at 100pp, give me stat food with +15 to the relevant stats. Heck, make the prize a stack of +5 stat food and I might be convinced it's of value. Give me items with one shot of 50%-rez-in-bottle or Clarity-in-a-bottle (yes, the latter does sort of exist; it drops off some mobs in LoY zones). Give me a 5-dose illusion potion, not a one-dose (the one dose variant can be bought in the bazaar for less than 100pp). In short, give me a prize worthy of a 100pp bet.

Again, I don't want absurdly huge prizes all the time. I do want any win, though, to be worth 100pp or more. I don't mind losing 10-15 times in a row; that's the nature of the beast. I do mind losing 15 times in a row, then getting a single +5 WIS food as my prize for a 100pp bet.

Dark Tyger
December 21st, 2003, 02:12 AM
The odds of winning the small prizes are MUCH better than the odds of winning at the slots in the casino. They're pretty much just like the prizes you get at a fair booth for knocking over the bottles. Cheap plastic trinket that costs you $1 per attempt. :P

The gold tickets are the real jackpots.

Naryn
December 21st, 2003, 02:29 AM
Good point. Probably the best explanation of how the casinos seem to work in game I've heard :)

That, or a lottery with a consolation prize.

John Dyne
December 21st, 2003, 02:39 AM
I don't even have a merchant in the bazaar, and I know in the long haul prices will drop, but the short haul is what's important to me. For maybe the next month or so prices are going to creep up a bit so people can regain their lost platinum, then they're going to spike down low after a month or so.

And I know it's simple economics.

Billybobtheranger
December 21st, 2003, 10:29 PM
Seriously...if you wasted that much money...Wow...I will never see that much and i don't care, but Wow....Definately would have waited atleast 4 months to do that kind of testing. Bound to be bugs in new things..Especially Radically new things like casino. Heck I didn't even get Ldon till a couple months after.