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  • Celebrating a Rumor (5/3)

    Last Sunday (4/29), Brad McQuaid, Chairmain & CEO of Sigil Games the company responsible for Vanguard Saga of Heroes, submitted a lengthy "State of Game"-style post to the Vanguard section of the SOE forums. McQuaid's commentary is honest, direct, and covers aspects of the community and of Vanguard itself that may be hindering the game's growth. Ultimately he surmises that the game still has tremendous potential though he admits it still needs work and could use a "re-launch".
    Source: SOE - Vanguard Forums [ more info ]

    Since the rumor began to float around that SOE might buy Vanguard, or Sigil itself, I've had this idea in mind. But, in a search for more information (that was ultimately fruitless), I held off on actually posting it. Today is when I finally gave in. The comic hearkens back to those strips a few years ago when I was fond of making Smed + wallet joke.

    In my mind the whole thing is still nothing more than a rumor. The posts people keep sending me as proof says nothing about a buyout of any kind. They say SOE and Sigil are talking about the future of Vanguard. That being said, it's still evident that something significant is likely coming. There's no point reading between the lines. It doesn't seem like we'll need to wait too much longer to get an actual answer.

    And before anyone gets angry with me for picking on Smedley again, just keep in mind that I actually like Smed.

  • #2
    I LOVE the old Smed/Wallet jokes. That was one of the most inspiring periods of gaming history in my opinion. The summit that Sony held was a shining moment in game direction history, it's too bad things like that don't happen more often.


    • #3
      They plan to add raid to Vanguard by next month... well yes it certainly would help if they could have worked a lot more on it before launching so soon, but even then it's a nice game and they add a lot of content every one or two weeks.

      I hope for the best for Vanguard but it's taking time, at least it's improving and so far the worst news has been this SOE takeover rumor and sadly the list of features Brad put in his post saying it would be for the first expansion like the towns owned by guild and the ship to ship combat when we hoped for them to be at release.


      • #4
        You already have the answer, it's in the first couple peragraphs

        "SOE is in discussions with Sigil regarding the future of Vanguard and Sigil Games in Carlsbad. Talks are going well and first and foremost, our primary concern right now is what's best for Vanguard and its community. We want to ensure that this game and its community have a healthy future. The specifics that we work out over the coming days will all be with that single goal in mind."

        What does that mean? It means that right now Vanguard is doing decently but not as well as we hoped. If you haven't read my last long post that outlined some of the things that went wrong during development, etc., please do. So the bottom line is that SOE is going to be getting more involved with Sigil and Vanguard - our relationship is going to become even tighter - much tighter. At this point I can't say much more than that.

        Does this mean an acquisition? I can't say at this point.

        Does this mean more or less people at Sigil? I can't say at this point.

        Does this mean management changes at Sigil? I can't say at this point.
        If he cannot openly deny it, that is that because it is happening...

        Game companies will always openly deny a widespread false or remotely false negative why isn't sigil?

        I think sigil will probably be bought completely, otherwise any small changes, team changes or team mergers could be kept private. There maybe restrictions on announcing this right now, as SOE is part of a publicly traded company.


        • #5
          I thought i heard someone mention once that SOE itself is preparing for an IPO at some point in the near future as well; that may be one factor in why they're keeping the dealing with Sigil officially unofficial. There's definitely something up though; when it officially breaks is anyone's guess.

          Nice comic though; the Wallet jokes are a GU Classic without a doubt. Has there been a comic about the Vision itself returning to SOE? Or were they just all Sigil related comics? (I don't mean this one; this one is just Smed taking Sigil's wallet *G* )
          Saroc <Heroes>, Cleric of Brell, Luclin server, Everquest
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Saroc_Luclin
            Has there been a comic about the Vision itself returning to SOE? Or were they just all Sigil related comics? (I don't mean this one; this one is just Smed taking Sigil's wallet *G* )
            HA! It must be done! Heavies in dark sunglasses and blue jumpsuits with SOE logos on the shoulder dragging the Vision kicking and screaming back into SOE headquarters. Priceless!

            Seriously though, I can't see how this can be good for Vanguard. Brad has done some really neat, innovative stuff with Vanguard, and I think he just ran out of the time (i.e. money) he needs to finish it. Buying that time with SOE's money can't be good though.... SOE could screw up a two car funeral (metaphorically speaking), and the second they get any sort of creative control some bonehead will start making decisions that screw everything up.

            I guess its still WAY early to make predictions, but I hope the deal works out that SOE gets a bigger share of the profits (i.e. a silent partner), hosts the servers, and leaves everything else alone.


            • #7
              I like how the wallet has a Verant logo on it.

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              • #8
                Funny how Brad, less than a year ago, said "No way" to questions about SOE aquisition. Now it's a "I can't tell you that one way or the other" sort of answer.

                I'm not going to jump right out and call Brad a liar, but I'm certainly disappointed.


                • #9
                  if I could buy the game.

                  Vanguard is dying because I cant find the game at walmart, cant find it anywhere for less thatn 50 dollars, and I am too lazy to go to fry's.


                  • #10
                    I can't help but get the feeling, after reading Brad's post, that he's telling me Vanguard is having issues because I didn't pay for a $6000 mega PC to run it.


                    • #11
                      Y'know, this makes me sad. I hoped the game would do well, even though it's not a game for me. But it didn't take long for the box price to start dropping, and the big box stores around here all have dozens of copies just occupying space. I'm honestly not surprised at this news... er... rumor.


                      • #12
                        I'd like to say for the record, that I think even in it's current state that Vanguard is a good game. It has some issues, sure. But, given a little time and a little money, the polish will come to the game.

                        I can see it being a game that could still redefine the content of an MMO. The problem is, they tried to rush the game out the door in time to compete with Burning Crusades and the holiday season, and that just wasn't realistic.

                        In retrospect, they should have offered people some sort of special situation. Like "We're doing a pre-release of the game. It's still in beta, but during this time if you pay the $50 to buy the game, your in-game membership is half-price until the game is finished. And, by purchasing and playing during this stage, you will be able to carry over your characters into the final release, plus you'll get some additional goodies at that time for helping us to generate capital to finish the game."

                        Being open and honest is a good thing if you ask me. If the game is something people are interested in and support, there are a lot of people who would have made that investment to play the game. I know I would have.

                        That being said, SOE has made some strange decisions with games in the past. On the flip side of that coin, though, despite their strange decisions they have remained a powerful and reknowned business entity in the MMO market, and, they maintain a very solid player base among their variety of games. One could argue that WoW has more players and revenue, and that may or may not be true, I can't say - but WoW also appeals to a different crowd than most of SOE's games, I think. There's some cross-over for sure, but there are a lot of people who play WoW who wouldn't like SOE's games, and vice versa.

                        So, I'm not making any judgements about it.

                        One thing that's important to remember is that no game really stays the same forever, or survives forever in the same way that it did originally. So if I get a year or two of fun gameplay out of Vanguard and then SOE does something wierd and the game starts to suck, well, there will be other MMO's out at that time to explore.

                        In the meantime, I suggest to people that they not be deterred by rumors or even solidified news if that time comes. Check out Vanguard, and enjoy the game despite the few issues it has. If it ends up changing later and becomes lame, at least you had fun for awhile. I know I am.


                        • #13

                          Love the comic.

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                          • #14
                            I don't care if they buy Sigil or not, I just want Brad kept away from EQ and the ranger class!


                            • #15
                              therewas a comic a while back when sigil went to SOE from microsoft it was the vision huggin smed i believe and he said welcome back. something like that.