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  • It's all just rumor. (3/9)

    I've read quite a few articles about what the next Xbox is and is not supposed to have. None of it's confirmed. It's all just hearsay, which doesn't impress me at all.

    But, rumor or not, some folks just get all up in arms. The article I read this morning was about how Microsoft is supposedly dropping disc drives in favor of "interchangeable solid-state card storage". [more info] So of course this lead to ranting about no backwards compatibility, proprietary storage, how this was going to be the first console that is worse than it's predecessor, blah blah blah. And let's not forget the other rumors: 2013 release, tablet controller, blu-ray discs, blocking used games, $500 pricetag...

    But it's all rumor, conjecture, and speculation. So it all means exactly dick. Until the dev units ship for companies to start making games, we have no idea what to expect.

    Oh, and don't give me crap about Merfred. He might have had one less leg and a slightly lower IQ than his brother, but he was still better and actually worth the extra money.

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    I honestly don't see how they could work out the price-point for games installed on solid-state drives. Granted the load time would be phenomenal, but a 25GB (The size of a single-layered Blu-Ray) Solid State Hard-drive ranges from $45 (with mail-in rebate) to $140. The benefit of Blu-Rays are that, though expensive compared to DVDs, are only around $5 worth of hardware.

    Let us not even consider the annoying size/storage issue. I doubt the rumors are true, because the load times honestly wouldn't be worth a $70-$80 per game price point.

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    • #3
      Quite especially when installing games onto a console's hard drive from an optical disk media work quite well for reducing load times.. The idea of going through all the trouble and expense to make a high capacity solid state format, while at the same time making your sales more expensive, less profitable or both, when what you "gain" is so minor out of it... Well.. I'll just go back to the rumors I heard 3 years ago that the system would have a petabyte hard drive with no external media input whatsoever, as all games are to be downloaded. Ahh.. guys like me with a crummy DSL connection can savor downloading a game for 3-4 days before getting to play it, then finding out there's a mandatory 2gb patch.

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      • #4
        As someone who is still rockin the PS2, the biggest thing that scares me is the used game thing. I have not bought a brand new console game in ages. I intentionally stay behind the curve and any online or MMO style game is PC only for me.

        I may buy a PS3 when Sony releases their next gen console and dive into all those lovely games that are already out, but for only 20 bucks a pop. The lack of a used market would deter me from ever buying a console again.
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        • #5
          I don't think the idea is too far fetched but also dont think its too accurate either.

          During the next console generation, we will definitively see a shift towards downloadable games. Any next gen console introduced today must be ready for that shift.

          Also, in the Blueray front, I don't think MS will want to be giving Sony any advantage. It is in MS interest to push digital movie distribution and giving users another reason to get BlueRays is counter-productive.

          Media will still be needed, though, because broadband still does not have enough reach to switch everything to digital. DVDs are struggling with capacity, so some kind of 3DS type memory card to sell games does not sound unrealistic. That type of media can grow slowly with the years and you can produce lower capacity ones for games that just don't need the extra storage.

          Optical media's days are counted. I will miss them, I love my disk game collection, but my fond love for physical media, disk specially wont stop time still.

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          • #6
            Honestly, if they kept the price point at around 60$ I'd have absolutely 0 issues with them going to a flash media system over a DVD/Blu-ray. You can't scratch a memory card and your library of games that are on a memory card would be signifigantly more compact.

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            • #7
              Flash games I have no problem with, slap a $20 DVD player in it for backward compatibility and everyone wins. But no way in hell does Microsoft license the Blu-Ray from Sony.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Lesath View Post
                Flash games I have no problem with, slap a $20 DVD player in it for backward compatibility and everyone wins. But no way in hell does Microsoft license the Blu-Ray from Sony.
                Unless they try to resurrect HD-DVD specifically for xbox games I don't see them having much of a choice.. Developers have already complained that DVDs aren't big enough to hold the content required for today's games

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                • #9
                  Breaking down some of the rumors realistically?
                  Probably not solid state drives

                  No Used Games - could mean more focus on online distribution - ergo, your game logically can't be "used" - may also lower costs on games and open game market to more indie developers.

                  Tablet controller- well think of it this way - we have facebook on the 360 right?
                  Connectivity to tablets (probably not as controllers) doesn't seem too wild, or unlikely.

                  Blu-ray disks - if its the above, I doubt it.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mordican View Post
                    As someone who is still rockin the PS2, the biggest thing that scares me is the used game thing. I have not bought a brand new console game in ages. I intentionally stay behind the curve and any online or MMO style game is PC only for me.

                    I may buy a PS3 when Sony releases their next gen console and dive into all those lovely games that are already out, but for only 20 bucks a pop. The lack of a used market would deter me from ever buying a console again.
                    If you only buy used games, and you only buy a console very rarely, then you aren't a particularly useful customer to them, so there's no particular reason for them to care if it deters you from buying a console again. The consoles themselves usually turn anywhere from very little profit to negative profit for the manufacturers, so they're perfectly happy not to sell one, if the buyer isn't also going to purchase games for it.

                    There's no doubt that eventually, whether in the next few years or more in the next decade, all games will be distributed on a Steam-like platform. We're already seeing it with EA's Origin, and we're going to see increasing amounts of it as time goes on. Used game sales provide absolutely no benefit to the original developer/publisher, and therefore they have no reason not to move to a format that is more convenient for people who do not buy used games, and excludes those who do.

                    PSN and XBox Live are likely to become the default distribution channels for consoles because the console manufacturers probably don't want someone else getting into the distribution market on their hardware.
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                    • #11
                      On the fly opinions on things said.
                      Solid state card drives. The economy says they will lose money.
                      2013 release is fine by me if it means it is done right.
                      A tablet controller would ruin alot of games. Keyboard and mouse however...
                      BR disks would be fine I mean they would DvD drives but lack of backwards compatablility would be silly concidering how easily Microsoft could make that happen.
                      Blocked used games could least be probable if the disk itself held a code so only one copy of that game can be played online.

                      On the last part about a $500 price tag? I could live with it but only if they did this. I would want a Xbox that could use a mouse and keyboard and have a replaceable and upgradable harddrive that is contained in a 'slap-in' container for ease of replacing HDs.
                      I'd want least 3 gigs of ram and a disk that is purchasable for 60 that allows one to go online proper, uses a Word-like program and allows a printer to be connected to it. I'd also want a image-video program built in and upgradable.
                      All in all I want a Xbox/pc hybrid So PCs can finally die off and Microsoft gives everyone what they want without going to dell and the like. It's time for PCs to crash and burn. The consoles are getting too potent to just let them be for games.

                      I'd buy it for $600 if it's a PC killer. WoW and SWTOR for Xbox? Yes please!

                      Originally posted by Koyasha View Post
                      There's no doubt that eventually, whether in the next few years or more in the next decade, all games will be distributed on a Steam-like platform. We're already seeing it with EA's Origin, and we're going to see increasing amounts of it as time goes on. Used game sales provide absolutely no benefit to the original developer/publisher, and therefore they have no reason not to move to a format that is more convenient for people who do not buy used games, and excludes those who do.
                      Allready cable companies are restricting bandwith for downloads. If this did come to pass who in this economy is going to pay extra to cables companies so they don't have to pick and choose not to mention if everything is digital and my system malfuctions I have to download ALL my favorites and previously purchased games again?

                      Nope. I like my hard copies. Make selling used games illegal before that happens.
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                      • #12
                        It makes sense. with cloud gaming arriving as the next big thing, console storage seems to be becoming obsolete.

                        a UBS/SD 'Cartridge' that allows you to carry the core data of your games files so you easily play your file on a buddies COnsole makes a lot of sence.
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                        • #13
                          I have to disagree with everyone about the end of physical games. I don't ever see a time when download will be the only way to receive games. In the US, many ISP's are setting data caps. Europe and Asia are almost all that way. If you had to buy a game from XBL or PSN for $60, then pay your ISP another $10-$15 to download the game.... I don't see that going over very well.

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                          • #14
                            All of these (except the tablet controller) sound possible. Cartridges are a better medium in almost every way except space and they've really closed the gap there. You can beat a cartridge with a triple-layer blu-ray, but I don't know if anyone even uses those. And you can make the CF cards bigger, I wouldn't be too worried about that.

                            I personally would hate to see used games go away. I buy new games when I can and when I really want to support the developer, but I bet 75% of my games I got when they went down to $10 used and I thought "For $10, how bad can it be?" That said, cutting resale of games would be a radical change for the market. I'm guessing Gamestop won't be content making no profit on new games if they can't make it back with used games and I'm also guessing that $100 new games won't fly, so a change like that would have to involve some sort of other complete change in game pricing. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Decker Shado View Post
                              Quite especially when installing games onto a console's hard drive from an optical disk media work quite well for reducing load times.. The idea of going through all the trouble and expense to make a high capacity solid state format, while at the same time making your sales more expensive, less profitable or both, when what you "gain" is so minor out of it... Well.. I'll just go back to the rumors I heard 3 years ago that the system would have a petabyte hard drive with no external media input whatsoever, as all games are to be downloaded. Ahh.. guys like me with a crummy DSL connection can savor downloading a game for 3-4 days before getting to play it, then finding out there's a mandatory 2gb patch.
                              you forgot the mandatory "Icepick" neural interface. No physical controllers at all.

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